Thursday, March 25, 2010

No, really, are you SERIOUS?

I am a relatively obedient person when it comes to laws, rules and regulations. We got a memo at work saying that we need to keep children supervised at all times. Ok, that is a given. What I was not aware of (and apparently neither was anyone else around me) was that we need to keep them in sight at all times...this includes the bathroom. Now the usual way that I take my class of 4 year olds to the bathroom is this...we go to the restroom area. I scope out the bathrooms (peeking in boys room then girls) just to make sure no "Bad" adults are in there. Then I stand in the hallway where I can see the entrance to both bathrooms and I send the little tikes in 3 at a time. I am supervising the ones that are on the outside, while keeping an ear out for any mischief in the bathrooms. There are no other doors in the bathroom and I am certain there are no magical portals either! So when we get a memo saying we must go into the bathroom in order to have the children in sight at all times, we (yes, all the teachers feel the same) start to grumble. Some in fact are mortified that we have to stand in the boys bathroom and watch the little boys as they are peeing into the urinal! Not our idea of giving these little guys privacy to do their "business". Our view is that if no harm can come to them, we are supervising in a way that should be appropriate. This is an interpretation of a rule set out by the Department of Social Services. There was a meeting (all I can really say) of the muckity mucks and it was brought up as a point in this meeting. So the interpretation is not a mistake on the part of the Social Services person that came out. What I would like to know is why. Why is it so neccessary to watch the children in the bathroom? They never gave a reason and I don't know why no one asked. The teachers all asked but got no answer. Because there was none. So now we have to have an additional person to split up the boys and the girls and they have to remain in the bathroom after finishing and washing their hands so that we can keep an eye on them and the little ones going potty. It is hard enough to get the kids in and out of the bathroom, now we are forcing them to wait IN the bathroom (near sinks, and paper towel dispensers), until everyone is done. We don't have an extra person that just stays at the restroom the whole time and there isn't a plan to get someone either. So before one of the kids can go to the bathroom, we have to call someone on the radio to come so we can have this child go to the bathroom. Of course there are times when we have to wait for someone. My question is this...what is worse, sending a child into a bathroom alone, or having them pee their pants in front of their friends? Comments welcome.

8 comments:

Tina said...

That's asinine.

If the bathroom is clear of other people, the kids are fine.

It is disturbing that they want the kids to be watched while they do their business. Can they even DO their business if someone is in there with them? MY son would have had a hard time with that! Even Connor asks me to shut the door & go away when he's trying to use the toilet!

And obviously, it's much more damaging to a kid's mental health to have to pee their pants because no adult was available right then & they couldn't hold it anymore.

And you're saying this is Department of Social Services? I'd read up on the actual regulation again. The person that came to your school might have been new at the job or something.

Good luck with all that :(

flyingvan said...

If a male teacher wanted to teach there, it would be discrimination not to let him, based solely on gender. If he were required to step into the girl's restroom to watch my daughters, I'd have a real problem with that.
Get the parents involved.

keeka said...

Unfortunately, I already got in trouble for "Grumbling" about it with the other teachers! If I brought in parents I would probably lose my job. Not to say that she is not making the parents aware of this. There is a letter going out to all parents to let them know what we are having to do. I guess if they have a problem with it they can band togehter! That is my hope. As to the person who came out, they are a higher up person in Social Services. I think that whoever came up with that regulation that states.."Children must be in constant visual contact". Didn't realize some idiot would take it as far as it is going! I still can't find the regulation, probably because they hid it so well in a bunch of gobbleygook!

keeka said...

I think it is part of Title 22.
The same regulation that says we must have 1 teacher to each 12 kids.

flyingvan said...

Title 22, part 101216.3 . All it says is maintaining certain ratio so direct visual observation can be done. It's kind of a stretch to say 'Direct visual observation must be maintained at all times including the restroom'. Elsewhere in Title 22 it mentions assuring the restrooms are not occupied prior to special needs kids going in. Sounds like a crazy interpretation to me

keeka said...

Well, thank you for letting me know where it is. I may show some of my co-workers, maybe my lead can pretend she found it, seeing as how I seem to be in the dog house as it is! Don't really know why!
But maybe if she brings it to the attention of our Director then SHE can bring it up again with Social Services, although I think she is too worried that they would get on our school for questioning a regulation...possible.

flyingvan said...

I also looked at the site that explains the intent of the regulations under Title 22. They don't expound on the "Direct Visual Observation" phrase at all. I really suspect the bathroom thing is something someone came up with on their own. There are State people that deal with title 22 all the time. (most of my dealings are with a different section, the health and safety code)

keeka said...

Oh, I am sure it was some lame interpretation of the regulation and if someone higher up would just take the time to check with the higher ups at the department of Social Services, it would be cleared up. But our boss is so freaked out that we will get "sited" that she is willing to take the doors off the stalls no questions asked. Apparently, she and another director were told of an incident in Lake Forest where a school was sited for the same thing. Non visual in the bathroom.
So they are freaking out. Sigh...so we and the kids suffer for it! Blech.